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Happy to be a speaker at #SOOCon23 #stateofopencon 2023.

Guess what? I will be talking about /e/OS and Murena!

Meet you in London on the 7th and 8th February.

#degoogled #smartphones #privacy #opensource #mydataisMYdata

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@gael It is not really fully degoogled if google still has access to all notifications due to microG.

@gael Really? So how does google know who's device to send these "fully anonymized" messages to?

@n0r Read microG documentation and source code. You cannot be tracked using you Google account with push notifications using GMS. Additionally you can easily disable them.

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@gael Google does not need people to have a google account. It can just collect all that information without having a google account connected to the information.
If the data collection problem would only exist for people with a google account then using google search, youtube etc. without an account would not be a privacy issue either.
But it is, and so is piping all notifications through their servers. Them not knowing a corresponding account doesn't mean they don't keep logs.

@n0r Google doesn't need to put in place complex tracking strategies to track people since so many ones are using Google accounts. They are interestes in consolidating user data to sell ads at a higher price. And that data is associated with people Google accounts + trackers.That is exactly the point solved with /e/OS. So you can keep on pretending that microG is useless or be pragmatic, embrace a larger point of view about the situation, and read the code, that is the beauty of open source.

@gael Google does not limit tracking to logged-in users. Use google search and youtube for a few weeks not logged in but also without privacy browser extensions etc. Targeted ads will certainly appear.
I did not at all "pretend microG was useless". Please don't make such false accusations. It does have a usecase.
What I am trying to say is things relying on connecting to google should not be marketed as "degoogled".
I don't have months of spare time to read that much code, sorry.

@n0r So I guess we wont agree each others about this.

@gael Disagreement is something that happens from time to time and is fine.

However accusing someone out of nowhere of having an extreme opinion they did not state at all is not a nice move. Please don't do that to people.

My takeaway from this discussion is I still hope microG will be developed well and improved, and I hope it will be advertised more accurately (or even better improve to the point where "degoogled" is an actually fitting label.)

Have a nice day (or night) :)