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Finde den passenden Messenger: Unser Schnell-Check zu Sicherheit, Datenschutz und Bedienung zeigt, welche Messenger überzeugen und welche nicht. 
https://www.kuketz-blog.de/die-grosse-messenger-uebersicht-kompakt-kritisch-direkt/
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@ulfi I can relate, as I recently tried out #monal for #iPadOS. While praiseworthy for being the honest effort that it is, it doesn't have anywhere the bling-bling that the other chat apps have.
At this time, emoji reactions don't work yet in Monal, so with that shortcoming alone, I can't recommend #XMPP to any of the #Apple followers in my life. They almost certainly have high expectations for any new apps, for such functionality
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Message Displayed Synchronization should work with #conversations (Android) and #monal (iOS) and of course with Gajim.
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@getalifemike @notjustbikes I, for one, highly appreciate nlnet's sponsorship of the #Monal #XMPP client - a crucial piece of the larger XMPP ecosystem. In #Canada, where I'm from, 60% of #Canadians have iPhones! 
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Monal-Einrichtung unter iOS - Schritt 1: Installation und Anlegen der XMPP-Adresse
https://clip.place/videos/watch/b3f3f2aa-a430-4c31-9497-489651b4d3b1
@menel Thanks! Their blog mentioned there is some funding from NLnet for Monal. That's great. It also occurred to me the Github issues for #Monal are public:
https://github.com/monal-im/Monal/issues
#xmpp
GitHubIssues · monal-im/MonalMonal for XMPP (iOS and macOS). Contribute to monal-im/Monal development by creating an account on GitHub.
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Es gibt nicht nur Signal. Siehe Artikel & Empfehlungen (abhängig von Sicherheitsbedürfnis & Vertraulichkeit) - Quelle:
https://www.kuketz-blog.de/messenger-matrix-uebersicht-vergleich-der-aktuellen-messenger/
Folgende Messenger haben eine Empfehlung bekommen - hier zusammengefasst nach #Zielgruppe, #Herkunft & #Betriebssystem (#Mobil / #Desktop):
1) #Threema - #Einsteiger - #Schweiz - für iOS & Android & Desktop (Win, macOS, GNU/Linux)
2) #Signal - Einsteiger - #USA - für iOS & Android & Desktop (Win, macOS, GNU/Linux)
3) #Monal (#XMPP) - #Fortgeschrittene - US / DE - für iOS & Desktop (macOS) - siehe https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_von_XMPP-Clients
4) #Element (#Matrix) - Fortgeschrittene - #GB / #DE - für iOS & Desktop (diverse Clients für Win, macOS, GNU/Linux - siehe https://matrix.org/ecosystem/clients/)
5) #Conversations (XMPP) - Fortgeschrittene - DE - für Android (siehe https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_von_XMPP-Clients)
6) #Briar - Nerds, Aktivisten, Journalisten - int. Team - für Android und Desktop (Win, macOS, GNU/Linux)
Link zur Messenger - Matrix:
https://www.messenger-matrix.de/
www.kuketz-blog.deMessenger-Matrix: Übersicht / Vergleich der aktuellen Messenger
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Es gibt sehr viele gute Software. In der Familie sind für uns XMPP Clients ganz wichtig. Wir verwenden diese zum chatten, telefonieren, video calls.
In der Familie wird meist der Andorid Client #Conversations verwendet oder #Monal für iOS. Ich selber verwende #profanity und #gajim. Die Kinder verwenden #dino.
Die Server #prosody und #ejabberd dürfen auch nicht fehlen.
Vielen Dank an die XMPP Community!
#ILoveFS #XMPP #Jabber #Messenger #FreeSoftware
In der Familie wird meist der Andorid Client #Conversations verwendet oder #Monal für iOS. Ich selber verwende #profanity und #gajim. Die Kinder verwenden #dino.
Die Server #prosody und #ejabberd dürfen auch nicht fehlen.
Vielen Dank an die XMPP Community!
#ILoveFS #XMPP #Jabber #Messenger #FreeSoftware
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@methuselah #Conversations for #Android is indeed worth advocating as an #XMPP client, *when it comes to its full support of "multi-user chat"*. But as to #Monal for #iOS? Be careful what you assume: its "multi-user chat" support is only said to be "partial" at this time:
https://xmpp.org/software/software-comparison/
xmpp.orgXMPPXMPP - The universal messaging standard
Hi @KileyT@mastodon.social welcome,
This is a complicated topic all in all.
Signal is much much better then any other centalized chat provider out there, well there is threema too, which is comparable and not located in a country that has a fashist coup currently.
The main critic on centralized services like signal is, that is is in fact one central entity and you have to trust them and all data of every user goes through that single vendor. Signal does some things to minimize the data they know about you, but in the end they still have data of all connections of every user and it wouldn't be hard to deanonymize users and also who talks to who, if the server were compromised. (still better then whatsapp, since they use the data for marketing now and not hypothetically)
With xmpp you don't have to trust a single entity. You still have to trust your server operator, but you can choose them yourself (or be them yourself). You also can choose your client (the program you use to interact)
That's about it.
If you want a foot in the door of a federated service like xmpp without the initial friction, you can use quicksy, it is in the apple store too and it is nearly monal, but you register with your phone number and people can find you like the do with whatsapp and signal. But you register again on only one server.
But normal monal users or users with other clients (on android the client could be "conversations" for example) can still talk to you from any server.
If you use monal they need to know your xmpp ID ( name@servername.org ), same as an email address.
You could find some curated list of recommended servers at https://joinjabber.org/docs/servers/
Selfhosting is an option too, or managed selfhosting, they have some links for that too.
If you are already registered you can find some public rooms at https://search.jabber.network
It isn't easy to start with this. Signal is still better then many others. But if you want to go on with the xmpp adventure it would be great
#xmpp #jabber #federation #messenger #conversations #monal #quicksy #snikket
This is a complicated topic all in all.
Signal is much much better then any other centalized chat provider out there, well there is threema too, which is comparable and not located in a country that has a fashist coup currently.
The main critic on centralized services like signal is, that is is in fact one central entity and you have to trust them and all data of every user goes through that single vendor. Signal does some things to minimize the data they know about you, but in the end they still have data of all connections of every user and it wouldn't be hard to deanonymize users and also who talks to who, if the server were compromised. (still better then whatsapp, since they use the data for marketing now and not hypothetically)
With xmpp you don't have to trust a single entity. You still have to trust your server operator, but you can choose them yourself (or be them yourself). You also can choose your client (the program you use to interact)
That's about it.
If you want a foot in the door of a federated service like xmpp without the initial friction, you can use quicksy, it is in the apple store too and it is nearly monal, but you register with your phone number and people can find you like the do with whatsapp and signal. But you register again on only one server.
But normal monal users or users with other clients (on android the client could be "conversations" for example) can still talk to you from any server.
If you use monal they need to know your xmpp ID ( name@servername.org ), same as an email address.
You could find some curated list of recommended servers at https://joinjabber.org/docs/servers/
Selfhosting is an option too, or managed selfhosting, they have some links for that too.
If you are already registered you can find some public rooms at https://search.jabber.network
It isn't easy to start with this. Signal is still better then many others. But if you want to go on with the xmpp adventure it would be great
#xmpp #jabber #federation #messenger #conversations #monal #quicksy #snikket
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After taking a closer look at #XMPP clients for the #linux desktop, there's this frustrating "tie" for finding a favorite.
#Dino, which is likeable for being able to do video and audio calls, only has limited support for multi-user chat (complete with fancy moderation tools). These audio and video calls it can do are AMD64-only at this time.
#Gajim, which is likeable for being able to do multi-user chat well (with great moderation tools), alas, can't do audio and video calls to the other XMPP clients (like, say, #Conversations, as they use a newer #WebRTC-based method now).
So there's this strange situation where one is tempted to use both at the same time.
My takeaway is that #Conversations for #Android is the only xmpp client that I would possibly and carefully recommend to family and friends at this time, as it can cover all of the above. (#Monal on #iOS/#MacOS only has "partial" support for Multi-user chat, BTW.)
Yes I'm aware of the existence of Snikket, Quicksy, and Prav. No need to chime in on those.
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@famfo I looked at the "XMPP Software Comparison" page:
https://xmpp.org/software/software-comparison/
...and put my 4 favorite #XMPP clients in there: #Conversations #Gajim #Dino and #Monal. It compares compatibility across many XEPs.
Alas, when it comes to #OMEMO, no distinction is made as to the version of OMEMO.
Me he instalado #Monal @Monal para entrar en el mundo #XMPP. Ahora solo necesito una #instancia en la que meterme. ¿Sugerencias? ¿Ideas?
Cuando concluya os daré mi contacto por aquí para que me tengáis fichado.
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@mastodonmigration Obligatory reminder that #Signal relies on a centralized and proprietary server, and does not belong here.
Users of #WhatsApp #Telegram #Discord #Signal and #Threema etc should use #XMPP instead, which is #FreeSoftware and federated.
Users - check out #Quicksy (Android and iOS), #Prav, #Conversations, #Cheogram, #MonoclesChat, #Gajim, #Movim, #Monal...
Self-hosters, check out #Snikket.
Learn more with this user's guide -
https://contrapunctus.codeberg.page/the-quick-and-easy-guide-to-xmpp.html
contrapunctus.codeberg.pageThe Quick and Easy Guide to Jabber/XMPP
Monal 6.4.10 (Build 1029, PR #1380) released.
- Don't accept forbidden control characters as chat input
- Update ssdp implementation to version 0.4
- Fix some more bugs